In this episode, Katie and Berin talk about being excited for autumn and the Long Dark, dealing with depression, and shutting out distractions.

In this episode, Katie & Berin make is clear why she’s an academic and he’s a project manager. Discussion dances around organizing data, providing context for information, and orderly workflows.  

In this episode, Katie and Berin discuss taking a knee, exercising freedom of speech in the United States, and the concept of American Exceptionalism as religion and protest as blasphemy.┬áIf you have topics you’d like to hear us discuss in future episodes, leave your ideas in the comments below.